Massokissed (she/they) is a rope switch, photographer and model in the Pacific Northwest and has been doing rope for 5 years. She focuses on conquering challenging shapes, aesthetically decorative rope, and processing emotion through discomfort.

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/massokissed/

[00:00:08] Wicked Wren Greetings and welcome to the Shibari Study Podcast. I'm your host, Wicked Wren. Shibari Study is an online learning resource offering video tutorials for beginners through advanced practitioners. Whether you're brand new to the world of Shibari and needing to learn the basics, or a seasoned rigger or rope bottom seeking inspiration to push your practice to new places, there's something for you at shibaristudy.com. I'm talking to Lena. Lena uses she/her pronouns. You'll know Lena as Masokissed online. Lena is located in Seattle, a rope switch artist, photographer. Many, many different hats. Hello. How are you?

[00:00:50] Massokissed Hi. Oh, I'm okay.

[00:00:53] Wicked Wren All right. Well anyway, good podcast. Uh...

[00:00:58] Massokissed All right. See you later!

[00:01:00] Wicked Wren Everyone, Lena has a bit of a migraine. And you know what? You're really going to tucker through this, and you're going to push through, and we all believe in you.

[00:01:07] Massokissed I'm drinking a smoothie about it.

[00:01:08] Wicked Wren Speaking of smoothies, you're vegan.

[00:01:11] Massokissed Mhm, yeah. I've been vegan for seven, eight years now.

[00:01:16] Wicked Wren That's a long time.

[00:01:18] Massokissed It is.

[00:01:19] Wicked Wren What is the number one like myth about veganism, in your opinion?

[00:01:24] Massokissed Well, I would say a lot of the first things that come to people's minds when you say you're vegan is how do you get your protein? Are you anemic? Are you always tired? And all those things? I would say, yeah, those are our struggles. So... But I don't know. It's hard honestly. But I mean, to me it's worth it. Just for my heart.

[00:01:47] Wicked Wren I was saying earlier that you're an artist, you're an awesome photographer. You are so creative in the ways that you do photography and rope, which I want to talk to you about. We just did a shoot and then you pull out this box of prisms.

[00:02:01] Massokissed Oh yeah.

[00:02:03] Wicked Wren Where does like, play in creativity come from for you?

[00:02:06] Massokissed I don't know. In art, I just like making things that you've never seen before. I like making things that don't exist in real life, which is part of the reason I love working with, like, bright colors, and prisms, because you can't get that type of look in just your naked eye. So each image is very specifically unique in that manner, you can never reproduce it, which I really like about prisms. And yeah, we got some really cool ones with that. Like, one of you looking at yourself kind of mirrored and I'm just like, "What? I don't even know how I did that, but... And I could probably never do it again. But we'll see."

[00:02:44] Wicked Wren Do you feel like after you get photos back from a shoot, you look at them and you're like, "I don't even know how I did that" often?

[00:02:49] Massokissed Yeah. Sometimes I also surprise myself and I can recreate it. But with that one, I do want to play around again and be like, how did I figure that out?

[00:03:02] Wicked Wren What are some of your influences of art? Was somebody in your family artistic?

[00:03:06] Massokissed My dad has always been a photographer. When I first actually wanted to get into photography, he let me borrow his camera. And my friend and I did a really weird photoshoot in the woods, you know, like I'm still doing.

[00:03:22] Wicked Wren Yeah, I was like, was this last month?

[00:03:25] Massokissed This was about six years ago? But yeah, I've always grown up with a point shoot camera and, my dad's always shot film and also documents a lot of things, so I guess that's just where it came from. And then, yeah, I borrowed his really fancy camera, and I was like, "Whoa, there's so many things you could do with this!"

[00:03:46] Wicked Wren Do you find that you document things with the camera now, or is it more art-based? If that makes sense?

[00:03:51] Massokissed Both. Yeah, I I just got my own... Again, like, full circle, I've got my own point and shoot camera now. A tiny one that I put in my pocket instead of my, big DSLR that we shot with. So that's nice to just snap pictures of the city or like, friends out and about or take it to concerts or like, my film camera I bring out on adventures. And then I get those developed.

[00:04:19] Wicked Wren Do you have a point and shoot film camera or digital?

[00:04:23] Massokissed  Point and shoot digital. And then, yeah, film cameras have interchangeable lenses.

[00:04:28] Wicked Wren It is funny how that happened. I feel like that's a thing that's happening right now, because I did the same thing, and I have another friend that did that. I got a point and shoot from 2012. And I love it because it's tiny and I can just go around and, like, take pictures with it. I feel like that's like coming back around right now.

[00:04:45] Massokissed Yeah. And now like companies are making new cameras that look like a two megapixel camera from 2004. Just like what?

[00:04:56] Wicked Wren Yeah. I saw an ad for a camera that was a digital, quote unquote, disposable camera. Did you see that?

[00:05:01] Massokissed Yes, I saw that, too. Yeah, all of my algorithms right now, because I was recently looking up, like, film developing online places. It's like every single ad. Every single ad is another film lab. And I'm just like, "Oh, another camera ad."

[00:05:18] Wicked Wren How do you feel about it? How do you feel about that camera?

[00:05:20] Massokissed It's fine. It's way better than other irrelevant stuff or targeted creepy ads for like, "Hey, you talked about this shoe with your friend. You want to buy it?" Like, um, what?

[00:05:31] Wicked Wren Yeah. How do you feel about something like that is such a uni-tasker like that? Because the comments there kind of got a little bit of hate where people are like, "This is so stupid. My iPhone can do this." Like, how do you feel about those kind of things? Like, would you ever use that camera?

[00:05:49] Massokissed I don't know. Yeah, I think it's surprising how powerful software is. And post editing to make digital photos look like film now. And if you really think about it, it's more environmentally friendly, it's more cost effective, it's immediate, and it is cool but analog puritans would be like, "That's fake. Like, you're just cheating. It's not real film. Like I can tell if you zoom in, you could see the pixels instead of the grain" which is just like... Oh God.

[00:06:22] Wicked Wren I do think there's something special about not being able to see the photo after you take it.

[00:06:27] Massokissed That's true. Yeah, I like that too. I just shot up-- or I just sent out 14 rolls of film from over the last one year and I'm so excited to get it back. Just be like, "I don't even remember what I shot on those three cameras."

[00:06:42] Wicked Wren Did you have to take out, like a small business loan to get all that developped?

[00:06:44] Massokissed Yeah, it was about $200.

[00:06:48] Wicked Wren Going back, you're talking about getting a camera from your dad. Does your dad know you're a weirdo?

[00:06:54] Massokissed Yeah, I think so. I think I had him blocked on my Instagram for a while. But I recently unblocked him because I found out he follows my partner anyway, and, my partner posted weirder stuff than I do. And I'm also in his weird stuff, so, like, okay. He knows. Like, I don't think he cares. He's chill.

[00:07:15] Wicked Wren I actually think it's neat that you unblocked your dad because you're letting him be a part of your journey, versus I did the opposite. I shut everyone out, and now I'm at a place where I can't share anything with them. And I'm like, now it's like, how do we even do that? I don't know how to open that conversation up. So I don't know how to even bring them into my life. And I wish I would've just been like, hey, this is something I do. You know?

[00:07:39] Massokissed Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if he follows me or I don't think he follows me yet, but, if he does, you know, I don't care anymore.

[00:07:49] Wicked Wren No you shouldn't, you're an adult, and you make cool stuff, and that's... And it is what it is. How did you find (…)? How did you find rope bondage and things like that?

[00:07:58] Massokissed Oh, the good old days of Tumblr. Yeah, definitely. It was definitely like... I remember I followed this one photographer who I don't remember their name but... Yeah, he did like rope and flowers ー rope photoshoots ー which I like doing nowadays. But they're always like, very soft and intimate and played a lot with the decorative patterns of rope. And it just was like, "Oh, what is that?" And then I looked into the tag of shibari and rope bondage and like, went on YouTube and bought a piece of cotton rope from a (…) shop and tied the pentagram harness on me. So, you know, pretty much a lot of people's like, first arc of just curiosity.

[00:08:50] Wicked Wren I was about to say, listeners, get out your bingo cards because Tumblr's been mentioned.

[00:08:55] Massokissed Yeah. The pentagram harness.

[00:08:58] Wicked Wren Yeah. I was like, there's a couple of other little bingo card things we have on the Shibari Study Podcast, but Tumblr, absolutely one. It sounds like your entry was aesthetic. How long did it stay in art world before I moved into more of a (…) kind of world?

[00:09:19] Massokissed I don't know, maybe like a couple years or something. I think it wasn't until I got with a partner who was also willing to or wanting to explore that, that we discovered the versatility and the application of rope and I'm just like, "Oh my, this is lovely."

[00:09:39] Wicked Wren You were like, "Not only is this cool, it has function."

[00:09:41] Massokissed Yes.

[00:09:42] Wicked Wren What color was the rope that you-- that cotton rope that you bought?

[00:09:46] Massokissed Black.

[00:09:47] Wicked Wren It's fun. Classic.

[00:09:48] Massokissed Yeah. I still have like, a picture of the first time I was tied by a partner. It was on my birthday in like... 2016 or something.

[00:09:58] Wicked Wren How was that like? How did it feel like? Did you have any expectations of what it would be?

[00:10:03] Massokissed I just know it felt like a hug. You know? It's just like, "Oh, wow, this is my body and it's being caressed tenderly."

[00:10:15] Wicked Wren Because you said that you're a masochist, but it's not because of the pain. It's because you like to be challenged and things. So, like, when did that arc happen in the journey?

[00:10:26] Massokissed Yeah, that I got-- I think that happened more when I got into like, proper shibari practice and like suspension. If I remember the first time I was suspended, I was actually double topped by two friends and like, by two (…). It was pretty intense, but I think it was a good entry. But I know it hurt. Like they put me in a single futo, which, now you know that that's one of my favorite things, and, like, maybe that's why. But that like, made me freak out. And I was, like, starting to panic. I was like, "Holy (…), this hurts so much. What am I going to do?" Like, almost tapped out. And then I just realized, okay, I felt the worst of it. I'm just going to sink into it now. Yeah. And just ride it out and just like, process it. And when I came down, like in the next day, or maybe it was that night I went to a park by my house and just like sat there and cried, just because I felt so strong. I felt so capable of getting through tough feelings. And I realized how that can apply to every aspect of my life. Just like pain is temporary and you can get through it and it doesn't-- even though it might feel like the end of the world, it's not going to be, like, you'll get over it.

[00:11:55] Wicked Wren It sounds really impactful.

[00:11:56] Massokissed Yeah, it was very impactful. And I still feel that to this day for sure.

[00:12:00] Wicked Wren A lot of people feel like rope is a great tool to help process emotional things in life.

[00:12:07] Massokissed Yeah, definitely. Like with that moment in the park. At the time, I was like going through a lot of mental health issues and mental health struggles and feeling lost and painful in my heart, you know, and that kind of helped me realize, like, "Oh, I get these feelings of anxiety, like I'm going to die and that I'm in a lot of pain. But this physical moment has shown me that I will get over it, that this will not last forever." And I think that's just stuck with me to this day. And it's helped me process a lot of discomfort. Maybe sometimes not for the better, because when I have a migraine, I just sit with it and I'm just like, "Oh yeah, I'll get over it." But also I'm like, miserable for a while. But I think emotionally and like, anxiety wise, and if I'm ever feeling scared or... I dunno, if I'm ever feeling scared, like I can talk myself down and I can breathe through it. Just like I feel scared in moments of intense sensation in rope, I know I can breathe through it and like, get over the hill.

[00:13:19] Wicked Wren Yeah, it's helped me too. It made me realize I'm stronger than what I think. I really enjoy too when a top understands that.

[00:13:28] Massokissed Yeah.

[00:13:28] Wicked Wren Like I tie with someone and it's easy for them to know when I say, "Hey, this hurts really, really bad." And then for them to know if that hurt is endangering my life or is it a futo hurt, and it's going to be fine, you're going to get through it. Like, I love when people can push me like that. Because it tells me that you can take so much more than what you think you can.

[00:13:50] Massokissed Mhm. Yeah. And knowing rope on the other side of it as well as a top, I know what sort of pains I can get through. Like, leg pain, I know that there's little to no risk with like, feeling an intense [00:14:07]pain unless it's [0.4s] in very specific spots on your body. But like, pain, if I'm in a TK, if my shoulders hurt or like, my hands hurt, I'm like, "Nu-uh, I don't want to go through this right now."

[00:14:17] Wicked Wren No, that's a totally different kind of pain. Like, but lower body stuff... I mean...

[00:14:22] Massokissed Hang me from a single thigh cuff, I don't care.

[00:14:26] Wicked Wren Do you like being topped by two people? Is that cool, is that fun?

[00:14:30] Massokissed Yes. I've been like, quadruple topped before.

[00:14:33] Wicked Wren Oh my God.

[00:14:34] Massokissed That was amazing.

[00:14:35] Wicked Wren What did those people do?

[00:14:37] Massokissed Impacts, some wax and (…) clamps... Rope, some pinching, some scratching...

[00:14:47] Wicked Wren It's a good old time.

[00:14:48] Massokissed All the pinch and scratch.

[00:14:51] Wicked Wren Are you an exhibitionist?

[00:14:53] Massokissed Actually like, kind of? It's weird, like... I feel most comfortable when I'm (…), and I don't like public speaking, but I don't mind a rope performance. And I've been on stage in like, a tiny little (…), and I felt good and confident because I know I'm strong and I know I'm hot, so...

[00:15:15] Wicked Wren Yeah, yeah.

[00:15:16] Massokissed Like, of course you enjoy looking at me, I do too.

[00:15:21] Wicked Wren Yeah. I feel like that's pretty straightforward, but speaking? Totally different thing, you know?

[00:15:26] Massokissed Yeah, I'm terrified right now.

[00:15:29] Wicked Wren Right now I'm actually sweating. I'm shaking. No but seriously though, like, I would say, this podcast? More stressful than any performance I could do.

[00:15:38] Massokissed Yeah.

[00:15:39] Wicked Wren Anything else I can do.

[00:15:41] Massokissed I don't even want to get up during a movie, you know? Don't look at me. But then I'll be nearly (…) on stage and not care.

[00:15:49] Wicked Wren Yeah. Do you cry in rope scenes a lot?

[00:15:53] Massokissed I have to let myself cry. And I've only recently done that. Like, it used to be, that if I started to cry, it would be the end. But, it was through a few recent impact scenes where I started crying and was like, "Okay, I'm just gonna feel this. I'm just gonna"-- because I think that's another like, good emotional release. It's like, struggling with depression and other mental health issues, sometimes I just want to cry. For no reason. During the middle of the day. But I don't have a reason, and so it feels not-- it doesn't feel justified. And so during scenes in which, physically, I am feeling an overwhelming pain that kind of gives me a reason to cry. And then, I kind of let the floodgates out, because I'm like, "Oh yeah, I'm crying because this hurts so bad." Really I'm like, processing so many things, but it's incredibly cathartic and I liked playing with that over the last year or so. Like, wow, it is okay to cry in rope. And it takes somebody you really trust to like, sit through that with you.

[00:17:09] Wicked Wren I have a scene that I always think about, that I cried in, and it was so impactful. I felt like I processed the weight of like, 25 years of my life in that scene, I really remember that.

[00:17:24] Massokissed Yeah, it can be... I think rope is an incredible tool for processing the pain of life.

[00:17:31] Wicked Wren Yeah, I agree. Do you have a mantra that you kind of tell yourself to get through stuff?

[00:17:38] Massokissed Breathe. I don't know. I think I just focus on the breath and.. Yeah, I think I... Relax completely into it, and I reach the threshold so that there's no worse after that. And then I can just be like, "Okay, I've got there. Like, now I can chill," And like, knowing the limit I can play with what I have, and assess whether or not I can take it too.

[00:18:07] Wicked Wren You said play with what you have. What does that mean?

[00:18:12] Massokissed Like... Play with the sensations that are on my body and... just figure out "Is it something I like? Is it something I want to sit in? Is this something I want to press against or away from?"

[00:18:27] Wicked Wren What happens if a sensation happens that you're not into, like, how do you navigate that?

[00:18:34] Massokissed Yeah, I'm fairly straightforward when I'm in rope. And at this point I know when something feels bad in a not fun way. And so I just say like, "Oh, nope, I don't like it." Or like, "Yeah, get me out of that." or "Please. Like, I have three more minutes in that thing on my leg but then I can't take it anymore. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't be fun for me to take it more."

[00:19:01] Wicked Wren Do you find that the amount of "take it" that you have varies day to day?

[00:19:07] Massokissed Definitely. Yeah. There's times when I've done like, one hour, intense scenes, and there's other times where I can only take like, a partial suspension and like, even just slight tension, it's just not, not sitting right for me. But I just like, assess where my body's at and where my brain's at. Like, what sort of things I am able to process that day?

[00:19:34] Wicked Wren This might be an impossible question, but do you think one of the two is more important in the equation? Body or brain? Do you think one of the two informs the decision more than the other?

[00:19:50] Massokissed  I think for me, rope is much more mental. That is a tough question. I usually assess like, "Is my body feeling restrictive today?" Like I have a lot of shoulder and neck and back tightness, so that influences what I'm able to do and what like what I want to process that day. But I think for the most part, yeah, because my sort of (…) is not necessarily pain equals pleasure. It's more... The discomfort is challenging and I want to work through it. I don't strive for an intense, painful experience. I kind of like a slow burn. And so... I just assess what my threshold is for that day and how much pain I am willing to feel. And that doesn't mean I don't like pain. I do enjoy impact or the occasional single or double leg suspension or something that's like a burning sensation, but...

[00:21:09] Wicked Wren Yeah, like a very sharp, intense... Like 0 to 100 kind of pain. Yeah.

[00:21:15] Massokissed Mhm. But yeah I usually just try to see what physically and mentally I can take that day.

[00:21:23] Wicked Wren Is there anything at the end of a session that kind of like, maybe solidifies a session for you? Or is it just knowing that you did everything you could do ends the session? Does that make sense? Like, do you want to hear words at the end of it? By someone being like "Damn you did great. You're strong." Or is it enough knowing that you did it.

[00:21:46] Massokissed Oh yeah, I think it's just enough knowing that I did it. Yeah, I think my body proves how it went. And I of course, would like the affirmation too. I like praise and I think reiterating from an outsider's perspective that I am strong, especially if, like, maybe something was very challenging and I felt like I wasn't getting through it the way I wanted to. If somebody was like, "Damn, you did great. That was tough and you did your best. And I'm proud of you for doing that." And I'm like, "Oh, okay. Thank you." But at the same time, it's okay if you can't make through it-- Make it through. Like, your body's not going to be perfect every day.

[00:22:31] Wicked Wren This is something I've talked about on the last 4 or 5 podcast. Because I'm a big person that says, "Sorry, I couldn't make it" if I had to say I'm done. And someone I was tying with said, "No, that's the point. I'm trying to get you to the point where you want to tap, and every day your little meter is different. Some days I have a little bit, some days I have a lot." So I've tried to stop saying things like I couldn't make it, because then that prescribes a series of events that's supposed to happen in my brain.

[00:23:02] Massokissed Yeah, exactly. Yeah, instead you could say like, "Thanks for patience or thanks for challenging me." You did your best. And that's all that matters.

[00:23:15] Wicked Wren Yeah, it is all it matters. Yeah, I like feeling like I survived the thing. Yeah.

[00:23:21] Massokissed Mhm. And you're doing so much more than you even need to be doing anyway. Like, you're already going through a stressful experience. So like, props on you for that.

[00:23:29] Wicked Wren Preparation is weird because as a rope bottom, you can't really prepare. All you can do is just like, you show up and then you've got to fight your mental... Brain. Because like before I go and tie, I'm always like, "What the (…) am I doing? Why am I... This is going to hurt a lot. I don't want to do this anymore, you know? Like, can we do-- can we just go get food or something?"

[00:23:48] Massokissed You can.

[00:23:50] Wicked Wren I know, but I can't hear that option because then I'll be like, "Okay, cool, cool, cool. Let's go get ramen."

[00:23:55] Massokissed Maybe I'll never challenge myself again.

[00:24:01] Wicked Wren Yeah, exactly. As an artist, as a photographer, you've talked about creating a safer space for (…) workers to do shoots and things like that.

[00:24:10] Massokissed Yeah, it's definitely one of my biggest goals in doing (…) or (…) photography is like... I know I'm no expert in rope, and I curate my practice to reflect that, but I definitely enjoy when (…) workers come to me and they want to explore (…) and they're like, "I've never been tied before or I've only been tied a couple of times by a partner, I want to know what shibari, harnesses are like and... I want to know what this feels like, and I want to be in this shape and like..." And I love being able to provide a safe space for that, because I know that there are people in that sort of photographer-tier community that take advantage of the new peoples' naivete. And I don't want to do that. And so I want to do the complete opposite and provide a completely open and educational space for a model to explore that side of them.

[00:25:20] Wicked Wren Yeah. And then also create amazing art too, it's like, everything you make is really cool. How did you learn rope?

[00:25:28] Massokissed Shibari Study.

[00:25:30] Wicked Wren Heeeeey! Everyone, check out Shibari Study!

[00:25:32] Massokissed Shout out to Shibari Study, ever heard of that place?

[00:25:36] Wicked Wren We thank Shibari Study.

[00:25:37] Massokissed Yeah, I definitely started on YouTube. And then, I got into actually-- yeah, Knotty Devil was one of the people that tied me the first time. I just, like, reached out to them on Instagram. I was like, " I want to try rope." And at the time they lived about three blocks away from me. So we got into rope that way and then started going to classes up at the apartment in Bellingham and a couple others down here in Seattle, and just taking private little lessons from friends too.

[00:26:10] Wicked Wren Classic. Yeah, Knotty Devil's been on the pod, everyone. So check out his episode after this. Yeah it's a classic trajectory. The Tumblr, to the YouTubes, to Shibari Study... It's great.

[00:26:21] Massokissed Yes it really is.

[00:26:24] Wicked Wren It's a rope bondage starter pack, the gateway. What are your goals with art and rope and things like that?

[00:26:34] Massokissed I think I just want to continue to liberate sexuality in models and-- because yeah, there's a lot of people that I've shot with who have never been comfortable being (…) in front of a camera, whether that be shame or a predatory photographer, or just not knowing what to do. And so, having that like, (…) modeling experience and (…) experience and photography, I'm able to guide them into exploring themselves. Because I can see at the beginning, they're like, "I'm stiff, this is how I'm (…)." And I'm like, "No, no, no. Invoke a feeling. Like, really caress yourself and like, you're feeling confident, you're feeling safe and you're feeling beautiful. You don't need to worry about looking beautiful, that will just come with the feeling." So I definitely want to continue to do that. And I want to provide more shoots for new models. And in terms of rope and myself, I want to practice topping more. I really want to get a rig for my living room. Like a X-pole rig so that I can practice more suspension, because I have done quite a bit. But I'm so out of practice now, and...

[00:27:57] Wicked Wren That has to be a really cool experience to be a part of, when you see a model stiff, and then they become loose and they start to feel it and like being there. That's really cool.

[00:28:07] Massokissed Yeah. And it's been like so rewarding. I've had quite a few models who like, after our shoots, and after they get their photos, they're like, "I've never felt more beautiful. Like, thank you for providing that space for me." I'm just like, "Oh my God, that's exactly what I want!" There's this one model who, at the time that we shot, we shot out in like, Lummi Island. I don't know if you-- it's up in Bellingham, it's like... A beautiful bay up there, and... We covered her in gold shimmer, and she was out, like, halfway in the water. And at the time, she was going through a physically abusive relationship and she felt a lot of shame in herself. And she said that photo shoot helped her get out of that, helped her see her individual beauty. And I'm just like, "Oh my God. Like, I can't. That's the biggest compliment you could possibly give me as an artist. Like, wow, I'm so grateful to have provided you with that outlet." And just like, oh, that's exactly what I want.

[00:29:15] Wicked Wren Yeah, that's all we really want as artists.

[00:29:17] Massokissed Yes.

[00:29:18] Wicked Wren It's really incredible. It's really incredible. How does a camera work in your life and--

[00:29:25] Massokissed How does a camera work!?

[00:29:27] Wicked Wren What is an F-Stop? How does the camera play a role in your scenes?

[00:29:33] Massokissed I really want to capture more intimate (…) scenes of other people. I want to be like, in there and capturing those, those little moments between people. Just like a little candid snapshot of emotion.

[00:29:49] Wicked Wren Have you ever thought about doing a photo book with that stuff?

[00:29:52] Massokissed Oh, yeah, that'll be cool. I should do that.

[00:29:55] Wicked Wren How do you think that you would shoot it?

[00:29:58] Massokissed I know I have quite a bit already, I think. I just, like, would go to rope jams with my rope family in Bellingham and just bring my camera and take pictures, or, like, I've shot a couple of (…) events. But I think I would love to put a call out for couples who are willing to, like scene and just like, I'm there capturing pictures of them and capture their connection and their love in photos. I think that would be something that I want to do more of.

[00:30:40] Wicked Wren Do you have anything coming up that you're excited about?

[00:30:43] Massokissed Yes, actually. Tomorrow I am modeling for a shoot. It's not rope related, but it's sacrilege related.

[00:30:52] Wicked Wren I feel like that's, you know, that's rope related.

[00:30:56] Massokissed It's close, yeah.

[00:30:56] Wicked Wren Rope adjacent.

[00:30:57] Massokissed Yeah. We're going to do this weird mouth spreader thing, and like, forced communion and I'm gonna have this necklace with a bunch of crosses on it and like, blacked out eyes. It's just a nice little friday night.

[00:31:14] Wicked Wren That sounds great. I can't wait to see those photos. So where can people find you?

[00:31:19] Massokissed Oh, on the gram. You know, avoiding shadow banning and removal. But I'll be Massokissed. That's m-a-s-s-o-k-i-s-s-e-d, like a kiss.

[00:31:32] Wicked Wren I can't believe you got that name, it's incredible.

[00:31:34] Massokissed Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. Just came to that in a dream or something like that.

[00:31:38] Wicked Wren Did you? How did you come up with that name?

[00:31:40] Massokissed I don't actually remember. I think I just came up with it.

[00:31:43] Wicked Wren It's a really good name.

[00:31:44] Massokissed Yeah, whatever.

[00:31:45] Wicked Wren Well, thank you so much for being on.

[00:31:48] Massokissed Thank you for having me. It's good to see you. And good to talk to you.